2009 IJSBA World Finals

[Chopper]

The information for the 2009 World Finals is on the IJSBA Web Site. Note that if you register by September 1st you will recieve 10% of your class entries. This is a good chunk of change so Get those pregistrations in. Sept 14th is the second Pre Registration date, after this all entries will go up $20.00. Entry to the World Finals is not cheap by any means, but you'll also note that the price has not gone up in a couple years. One last Discount, if you have competed in all of the Great Lakes Watercross tour in at least 2 class per round or a total of 14 races (7 rounds x 2 classes) you may also recieve a $10.00 credit Towards the 2009 IJSBA World Finals.

See you there!

Josh

[ski hauler]

Josh they omitted amature stock class at the world finals, so we only have one stock class available pro-am stock.They have 3 classic divisions

[Chopper]

Ed, I will give you my opinion on this... Bare in mind that it is just an opinion. A) there are too many classics classes period. There should be one and it should be open, end of story on Classics. As far as the other stock question the classes are basically set up as there is a need for them (supply and demand). I would say that the demand was not very high for an amateur R/A stock since there is a Novice and Pro/Am this is the same with the ski classes if you are on equiptment that doesn't fall under the lites or classics classes.

I will also say this, from a ski rider perspective, there are too many classes offered on that side of the table. I am elgible for 4 ski limited classes alone. This doesn't include the Open classes that I could also race my limited ski in... Too many! I will probably end up racing all 4 of the limited classes that are offered to me though, then someone can haul me home on a stretcher...!

My suggestion to you (Brad) is to also register for a limited R/A class such as Expert Runabout Limited. I have reconfigured the entire schedule for the IJSBA this year and it is currently pending Approval from Scott at the IJSBA. The new schedule offers motos such as pro-am r/a stock and Expert R/A limited far enough apart to actually get a break, yet not to far that you just get bord.

So there you have it...

See you Saturday!

Josh

[CHOOCHOO]

If you kill the classic classes you make it hard for the new guy to enter the sport. I race on a shoe string buget has it is. If i have to go out and buy a new 4 stroke I will be broke the same day. If you get rid of any classes get rid of the classes that cost thousands of $$$$$$$$$. Yes I said it. If you are going over 80 mph what the f@ck. Only a hand full of guy can aford to race in thous classes any how. But what do I care this my be my last year. IJSBA need to bring the cost down. But like that will ever happen we will all just stand around and watch our sport die. I had alot of good ideas for class but every time I try to talk to someone about it I get the big blow off.
YAH I SAID IT, CRAIG

[CHOOCHOO]

Here is a crazy idea (Let 2 stroke open race in 4 stroke Limited AKA EXPERT LIMITED) (Let 2 stroke limited race in 4 stroke stock. AKA ProAM stock) And keep the Classic Stock class. There I just got rid of 2 classes.
YAH I SAID IT, Craig

[Chopper]

Craig, if you reread my first statement you'll see that what I have posted is only my opinion. I can tell you the Classics Classes are not going anywhere. It is just my opinion that there are to many of them. There is now a Classic Ski 2-Stroke Limited. That class is right up my alley, but yet I still don't agree that it is needed. There are too many classes that overlap and inturn divide starting lines from say one line of 14 to 2 lines of 7. I'd rather race with 14 that 7. (oh classics classes get a $20 discount also, and you'll get another $10 off due to racing at least 14 times at the GLWT http://www.ijsba.com/ijsba/index.cfm?s=ijsba&t=2009/misc/0112.htm

***Remember this is just my opinion***

As far as listening goes, I do not recall any email or phone conversations pertaining to any of this outside of casual conversation. Although on this topic I prefer email cause then I have exactly what the person is requesting in writing. Remember Craig, I am your link to the IJSBA as the Riders Rep on the IJSBA Board of Directors. Have you ever contacted Scott Frazier with your concerns? Yes he is very busy running his own law office and the IJSBA, but typically he does listen very well, and again he also replys to emails. If your issues with people not listening are refering to the joker that runs the APBA, welcome to the club. I personally have completely writen the APBA off after repeatedly feeling like I am just banging my head against the wall! If I had not writen the APBA off I'd be so pissed off about this sport is it's not even funny. As you may have noticed I have only attended IJSBA events this season as I cannot justify supporting someone who has done nothing good for the sport. The sport was in constant decline under the rein of the APBA. Now that a couple promoters have sacked up and made the switch back to the IJSBA (and now that the IJSBA finally saw the need to provide an alternative to the APBA) there is slow growth again. Think about it. Until last season the economy was not too horrible. Now it is in the chitter. But until this season the average number of entries for the GLWT was probably around 40-50 tops (some races as low as 30). This season the GLWT has continued to grow. Not a ton, but it is constant growth. 74 entries for a one day race in Sheboygan, who would have thunk that? As far as cost goes, again, the cost for entries have dropped on the GLWT thanks to the GLWT getting sanctioned by the IJSBA, which is far less expensive than the alternative. As far as quiting goes, we all know how that has worked for me. I've knocked on that door many times for many reasons, but never actually threw in the towel. In those times it takes a good hard look in the mirror to reflect on what really got a person to that point. Me, I have racing in my blood, I have been racing in some form since I was a young kid, even in the winters I am completely surrounded by racing with all of the coaching that I do. Call it an addiction, whatever it is better than going through life without a purpose. So before you go off and say you are throwin in the towel really reflect on what brought you to that point and what could be done to bring you back to reality. I know I'll want to throw the towel in again, it is typical on bad days... Remember this though, Quitters never win period. Yeah, it may sounds lame, but there is a lot of truth to it.

Now lets look forward to the last few motos of the 2009 racing season!

[ski hauler]

Yes Josh but the same classes offered in Charleston (IJSBA) and what is offered in APBA in nashiville are the same why is this ommited from the world finals, also if you read the rule book 5.5.1 & 5.5.3 it states that in each division there will be stock, limited and open classes offered. I am not tiring to start any problems I just think If you race under one banner those classes should be available at the finals

[joe563]

well i will throw my 2 cents in.. i think they should scrap the whole am classes and go back the way it was.. nov stock,limited open,exp stock limited open,and let any and everyone run them classes.. then have a classic class like vintage ski for the runabouts.. if there is enough interest have stock and open.. stock for all the new comers open for all the junk from years past still in the garages..there would be no issues.. now with our new boats we have one class at the world finals,2 strokes have 6..what the f...

[Chopper]

Ed,

You need to talk to AJ handler then cause he is the Promoter for the West Virginia Race. The IJSBA rule book also states this:
25.1.1 The following competition classes are typical of what may be offered at IJSBA-sanctioned events. Event promoters have
the option to decide which classes are offered depending on local interest. Competitors should contact event promoters
for information regarding the specific classes that will be offered.

From there it lists a total of 102 possible classes that could be offered...

I am not disagreeing with you, I am just posting the facts. In reality if a certain promoter feels he or she will benifit from offering certain classes they are allowed to do so. It was AJ Handler's choice to fall somewhat in line with the APBA for class offerings due to racers following both rules. He did this as a benifit to the racers.

If you really want a session about rules being inconsistant then come talk to me about the Stock class rules for the ski classes. I'll never quit on that topic since the APBA allows aftermarket pipes on Yamaha Superjets only in the stock class. Yeah Aftermarket Pipes in the stock class. THIS IS ABPA ONLY and AJ also decided to adopt this rule for the sake of consistancy. Again Allowing Pipes in a Stock class (that is not even dominated by 4-strokes) is just wrong. The IJSBA does not allow pipes in ski stock classes, and the Superjets are just as competitive with the right racer.

The bottom line is that as long as there are 2 governing bodies in the U.S. there will be different class offerings and different rules. And as long as the current leadership at the APBA keeps up the trend of not listening to racers and doing everything he can to line his pockets with money nothing else will change there either. This is why I am only racing under one governing body, cause after years of missmanagement and constant decline I cannot bring myself to supporting the other guy. Not to mention that at every APBA event I have ever attended I have always found issues with scoring so you never even know how you'll finish and if things are messed up you never know if you'll get fair treatment since the guy behind the computer has his own agenda. But then again those are just my experiences.

[Chopper]

quote:Originally posted by joe563

well i will throw my 2 cents in.. i think they should scrap the whole am classes and go back the way it was.. nov stock,limited open,exp stock limited open,and let any and everyone run them classes.. then have a classic class like vintage ski for the runabouts.. if there is enough interest have stock and open.. stock for all the new comers open for all the junk from years past still in the garages..there would be no issues.. now with our new boats we have one class at the world finals,2 strokes have 6..what the f...


Werd Yo! Novice, Expert, Pro, Stock, limited open, end of story...!

[joe563]

sounds pretty simple huh...run what you brung in each class per rules of course2 or 4 stroke... then the vintage in each ski and runabout..makes everyone happy,makes it simple done.. that way we still would have 2 classes to run inand the 2 strokes would have one extra.. as it stands either way...drag my rxp-x 2500+ miles for 1 race... i am thinking no..that is alot of cash i could put into my boat for next year.. or go on a vaction with the fam... i dont know

[Chopper]

Joe, you can run Vet R/A Class right...!

[joe563]

yes but it is aopen class... them dudes are insane..good times

[CHOOCHOO]

Joe U and Brad can race ProAm Stock, Exp Limited and ProAm Limited. Please go I need racing freinds. Please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Late,Craig
YAH I SAID IT!

[Chopper]

Yah He said it... GO It's Havasu Yo!

[joe563]

we dont have limiteds.. look what happened to you out there in limited the year you won it in nashville..there are real limiteds out there no joke limiteds..especially in exp and pro am classes..go big or go home type stuff..after looking at the way its set up i can see you renting lukes boat out..brad and i could never there is nothing to run it in.. oh well.. how many dudes do you think are going to be in pro and stock 50-60 because thats the only game in town.. now spend 2-3 g's to go and get my ass handed to me not make the main and go home.. ugly

[joe563]

josh this is somthing that needs to be fixed with the ijsba, bring it to there attention please... board member of death..how can i have a brand new boat and have no classes to run.. where is exp stock,am stock,4 stroke stock.. what ever.. make the travel worth my while..thanks stay home joe

[Chopper]

Joe,

The Message has been sent to the person above me. The reply was that there is a Novice Stock and a Pro/Am Stock... I know you are thinking: "Thank you Capt. Obvious". It is what I was thinking also. The Class list is what it is for this WF. I have plead my case on this and on some other classes that are both needed and not needed. I too believe that there is a better allocation of classes. I'll fire off another email wording it differently and see what happens.

[joe563]

you are the best.. it is too late for changes this year i believe,but make things right so we can go next year.. i think things will be bigger and better anyway..

[joe563]

have your 3 basic classes nov,exp,pro stock limited open.. then your am classes specialty classes.. 2 stroke 4 stroke vets etc..done what the hell.. i looked at pat mels and he doesnt offer nov stock.. that is the dumbest thing ever.. new guys on fast boats.. how safe is that if anything you get rid of nov open to slow them down so they dont get hurt we all seen what happens to people when you have a inexperienced rider on a real fast boat.. lots of fiberglass work for me but i dont want to do it..i want people to be safe..also what about cost these days.. the stock classes are the cheapest to race in,make people run limited and spend more money that they dont have..b.s. race fuel breaking down all the time... i am done with that,with the exception of my brand new junk that i should not have bought..did nothing for mecould have lost just as many races with old yeller..sorry for the rant....hope thing get resolved

[admin]

What days is everyone planning on going to Havasu? I am not going to race this year but wanted to ride down and help out my fellow racers.

[ski hauler]

I did not know that 4 strokes are dinosaurs already, one class amnimals, right now this sucks

[JB]

This will have to change to keep the interest in the sport.

[joe563]

These guys are nuts...put it the way it was stop making up classes for old boats.. have the class like the 800,how about 1200...ooooooo thats an idea,dumbasses

[joe563]

talked to brad,he talked to frasier.. heres the deal.. he put it all on brads shoulders.. you get 10 guys we will have the class if not we wont.. well last i checked it was ran everywhere but havasu,so where is the issue.i vote on passing on havasu until they get there sh.... together... also for craig.. he said if there isnt enough guys in na stock or limited it will be combined.. so you will be running against real limited boat for a title.. not seperate classes..ugly

[Chopper]

talked to brad,he talked to frasier.. heres the deal.. he put it all on brads shoulders.. you get 10 guys we will have the class if not we wont.. well last i checked it was ran everywhere but havasu,so where is the issue.i vote on passing on havasu until they get there sh.... together... also for craig.. he said if there isnt enough guys in na stock or limited it will be combined.. so you will be running against real limited boat for a title.. not seperate classes..ugly

I have been doing what I can to get this Amateur R/A Stock class off the ground. Countless emails last week and this week. Brian Smith talked about it on his radio show on tuesday night, he also confirmed that he will be in for this class also. I will again be making a call to Frazier tonight to voice the concern from the racers.

I too am not a fan of additional classes, but this one is a no brainer. I can see ditching about 6 others in favor of having this one.

(note: I just got the best idea yet... I'm going to email my buddy Joe Heim on this. He is the top PWC dog at Kawasaki, if at first you don't succeed tighted the clamps on the purse...) I crack myself up!

Josh

[CHOOCHOO]

Guys I did every thing I could do tonight. I got him down to 8 racers and he said if the class does not run he will pay us back our money. But he need your preregeration even if it is just for this class. You can add on other classes later. I did all this and will end up finishing near the rear in that class (if I have to race it). Now get thoes prereg in so we can go to havasu.
P.S. Let Brian Smith know
Late, Craig

[Chopper]

Brian Smith knows, the claims that he is in, and he talked about it on his radio show this past tuesday night.

I believe that everyone and their sister has been calling the IJSBA on this one. I've done what I can and I know there are many others who have called also. We'll see how this all plays out. I just hope that it's figured out before tuesday.

-Late

[ski hauler]

Craig, this is Fraziers job for some reason he does not want to post this as a class, and without it posted people are not going to go 2000 mile and not know for sure they have a class. All classes should be posted and if the responce is light then remove them or combine them. This class is not posted as Joe says, we run this every where we go what is the problem this is a no brainer. End of Story

[Chopper]

Also remember to notify the IJSBA that you have raced at least 2 classes per round or a total of 14 classes for the GLWT this year for a discount. Here is the press release:

http://www.ijsba.com/ijsba/index.cfm?s=ijsba&t=2009/misc/0112.htm

The Discount is a $10 credit towards registration.

[Chopper]

Also as you can see I have been sure to post this on PWCtoday to help ur cause.
http://pwctoday.com/f7/amateur-r-stock-world-finals-245454.html

[joe563]

Talked to frasier for 20 minutes today..he said he was going to put a is anyone interested in running this class post on the ijsba web site.. he also said only 4 people called him...josh,craig brad and myself... so i really dont know if there is any... going to call patrick mel and see how many are registered for nashville... also lots of politicing there.. should have enough..with new boats we shouldnt have to be doing this... what the f... either way i am doing anything until after nashville.. he said we had until the 17 anyway.. me-dee-o-ker times at best

[joe563]

there is interest in the class but it looks like there are guys afraid of ecus in texas... that isnt what we where hering in west v....brain was talkin some sh.........

[gpr717]

Should I go, I want to but may need assistance. New boat to come soon ( you haters know who you are) and well if you need a guy i need transport and someone to talk to my lovely wifey (joe Dr. Silver tongue)...

Kevin



talked to brad,he talked to frasier.. heres the deal.. he put it all on brads shoulders.. you get 10 guys we will have the class if not we wont.. well last i checked it was ran everywhere but havasu,so where is the issue.i vote on passing on havasu until they get there sh.... together... also for craig.. he said if there isnt enough guys in na stock or limited it will be combined.. so you will be running against real limited boat for a title.. not seperate classes..ugly

[JB]

I posted this link on Brian's facebook to get him here to speak for himself.

[joe563]

I am sure he will like my other post..ecus...come on out kevin..i am waiting until after nashville because i will be doing some politicing there.. and we will see how many are on line,which will help...jb you going...good times my man good times indeed..

[spence-r]

Whos all going down to nashville? If the quilts get their new/bigger trailer in time I might go with them, otherwise im shreddin some buoys locally

[joe563]

brad,craigand myself i know for sure..

[spence-r]

Well the quilts trailer didnt show so I dont know if I can go now. Anyone wanna spend 14 hours with me? Dont take up much room :)

[Chopper]

Amateur Runabout Stock is now Officially on the entry Form.

There you have it.

Also Pro-Am Vet Ski Limited has been changed to Pro-Am Ski Limited (no vet requirement).

[joe563]

It is about dam time... Good times men good times indeed... Lets get it on

[CHOOCHOO]

I feel the need!!! The need for speed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. UMMMMM do any of you RXPX riders have some speed for me? If not I can think I am fast.
Late, Craig

[joe563]

any styand up riders want to go to havasu???? we might have room for a couple more boats... let craig or i know... later suckers... it is a fantastic time.. hot and dee lish out there..

[JB]

Joe you driving or flying?

[joe563]

I am flying out..the bohats and i have a house rented also.. good times

[Chopper]

Role Call!

Joshua Blum - In (4 Classses)
Spencer 2 Stroke - In? Maybe, My guess is Yes
Brad Bohat - In
Craig Fritz AKA Lightning - In
Joe B. (I can't spell your last name;)) - In
Kevin the King of the webblewobble Gong - Might as well be in since his new Nanotechnology Hulled Machine is being built in Havasu...
Scott the Master of the GLWT with the starting system - IN?
King of the PWC Fanatics - In (as a spectator)?
John Zigler - IN as a Spectator
EB-Ski - IN as a Spectator

Who am I missing here?

[Chopper]

IJSBA World Finals Online Registration now Open: http://www.ijsba.com/wf/

[joe563]

WHATS THIS WITH IN BUT NOT RACING???? I think brad wants to race butt thunder again in na stock....i just wanted to say butt thunder...

[Chopper]

Butt Thunder!

[fox river pwc]

I see several GLW guys are offering their skis up for rent at the finals. I like that idea. I hope it works out for you guys...

[JB]

booked my flight tonight. arriving in vegas on wed morning and fly out on mon.

[spence-r]

Hey Jeremiah I race wednesday! Last moto that im in is Novice ski stock moto 2, 4:10pm-4:24pm if you get into havasu in time.

[joe563]

good times jb sorry for not calling.. i am a jackass..glad you are coming out it will be fun..we will still be racing for a couple more days.. off the weekend beer-o-clock baby..