Can't ride if you can't find ffffffin fuel!!!!!!

[fox river pwc]

Time for a rant.

All of my rec skis, my backup SJ, and my sport spec blaster are set up to run on 93 octane conventional fuel - not the useless reformulated crap that's been forced upon us and already proven to be a failure both environmentally and economically - don't believe me? - I'll send you some links from unbiased sources that study crap like this and have determined how ethanol is bad for our environment in more ways than one.

Anyhow, since I'm just 10 minutes from walworth county, where the reformulated crap gas was and still is NOT mandated, getting quality 93 octane fuel hasn't been much trouble for me - until today...

Now, thanks to federal mandates that force minimum amounts of ethanol crap gas down our throats, even counties not required to sell the garbage are often forced to sell it, since it's all they can get from the local fuel distributors now. (You see, since ethanol can't be shipped in a pipeline and trucking it is too expensive, and states with a backbone, like texas, refuse to accept the garbage anyhow, we wind up with more than our fair share of crappy ethanol in the states where the corn is grown.). Oh, and the best part is how many of the farmers getting rich off govt subsidised corn/ethanol production refuse to burn the sh it in their own vehicles.

Sooooooo, anyhow, now I can't even get 93 octane conventional fuel in walworth county. All of their 87 and 89 is now reformulated sh it, and their best conventional fuel is 91 octane. Guess it's time to start dumping a half gallon or so of 110 into each tankful that goes in my skis that like/need 93.

F-ing politicians. This is the sh it that happens when we vote the wrong people into office and then re-elect them far too many damn times.

Where's everybody buying their race fuel nowadays, and how much are you paying???

[joe563]

this is the man for you chad 262-492-4744 i thought you gave me the number before... well i guess not... he dilvers my cars meth. to union grove for me.. i know he has small amount availble,dont know haw much he is... he saved me 2.00 a gallon over jerry wilkome in kenosha off of hwy e.. anyway i agree with the you on all that with the exception of farmers getting rich... they are getting screwed also...the polititions are steeling all the cash believe me i have friends that are farmers... you cant get good gas anywhere in wi anymore... sucks ass before you could go up north and get decent fuel..

[joe563]

this is the man for you chad 262-492-4744 i thought you gave me the number before... well i guess not... he dilvers my cars meth. to union grove for me.. i know he has small amount availble,dont know haw much he is... he saved me 2.00 a gallon over jerry wilkome in kenosha off of hwy e.. anyway i agree with the you on all that with the exception of farmers getting rich... they are getting screwed also...the polititions are steeling all the cash believe me i have friends that are farmers... you cant get good gas anywhere in wi anymore... sucks ass before you could go up north and get decent fuel..

[Chopper]

I run 87 in my stock ski and sunoco 103 unleaded race fuel in the limited. I Pay whatever 87 is at the time and $5.69 per gal to run the limited.

[Chopper]

I run 87 in my stock ski and sunoco 103 unleaded race fuel in the limited. I Pay whatever 87 is at the time and $5.69 per gal to run the limited.

[fox river pwc]

Thanks.

Yeah, during my rant I didn't really mean all farmers in general, but those that profit off the farming industry producing a sh itty product that's subsidised by the govt and forced down our throats against our will. Friggin' ethanol lobbyists feed cash to the politicians to get them elected, then the politicians pay back their ethanol buddies to the detriment of everyone who uses gasoline.

Can anyone say TERM LIMITS!!!???

Tree huggers who love ethanol are too dense to realize that we're leveling forests to create more land to grow more corn, now that we're using our food to make fuel. Anyhow.............

Yeah, I did give you chad's number. He was ok with me at first then dicked me around on his prices. He was $2-3 per gallon higher on 110 last year than the 3 other places I know of within 20 minutes of me, so I stopped wasting my time with him. Also, his non-vented 5 gallon containers were a pain anyhow. I much prefer to buy it out of the pump. However, I'm at the point now where I should just be bringing in 55-gal drums anyhow. Maybe I'll try him again and see.

Anybody know of other race gas suppliers in SE WI that sell drums? I'd like to compare some prices.

[fox river pwc]

Thanks.

Yeah, during my rant I didn't really mean all farmers in general, but those that profit off the farming industry producing a sh itty product that's subsidised by the govt and forced down our throats against our will. Friggin' ethanol lobbyists feed cash to the politicians to get them elected, then the politicians pay back their ethanol buddies to the detriment of everyone who uses gasoline.

Can anyone say TERM LIMITS!!!???

Tree huggers who love ethanol are too dense to realize that we're leveling forests to create more land to grow more corn, now that we're using our food to make fuel. Anyhow.............

Yeah, I did give you chad's number. He was ok with me at first then dicked me around on his prices. He was $2-3 per gallon higher on 110 last year than the 3 other places I know of within 20 minutes of me, so I stopped wasting my time with him. Also, his non-vented 5 gallon containers were a pain anyhow. I much prefer to buy it out of the pump. However, I'm at the point now where I should just be bringing in 55-gal drums anyhow. Maybe I'll try him again and see.

Anybody know of other race gas suppliers in SE WI that sell drums? I'd like to compare some prices.

[fox river pwc]

Josh, do you run reformulated 87 in your stocker? How do you buy the 103 - pump? drum?

Joe, do you run reformulated gas in your RXP and kawi, and what octane?

[fox river pwc]

Josh, do you run reformulated 87 in your stocker? How do you buy the 103 - pump? drum?

Joe, do you run reformulated gas in your RXP and kawi, and what octane?

[joe563]

cheaper the better no problems so far...knock knock... but i also have a knox sensor so if the fuel isnt to spec it will shut down the engine... it works too i tried running 87 no go.. chad is a good dude he is just young..he sells drums cheaper than anything.. there is a place in zion that sells race fuel at the pump.. not sure of the name... hey john john where you at.. whats the name of that place..

[joe563]

cheaper the better no problems so far...knock knock... but i also have a knox sensor so if the fuel isnt to spec it will shut down the engine... it works too i tried running 87 no go.. chad is a good dude he is just young..he sells drums cheaper than anything.. there is a place in zion that sells race fuel at the pump.. not sure of the name... hey john john where you at.. whats the name of that place..

[Chopper]

87 octane is whatever 87 I can get at the time. So yeah, I guess it is the E crap, which I hate the concept of also. As far as the race gas goes, that is all secret... But it is not out of a drum, it is mixed with something and there is a NASCAR sanctioned speedway near my place.

[Chopper]

87 octane is whatever 87 I can get at the time. So yeah, I guess it is the E crap, which I hate the concept of also. As far as the race gas goes, that is all secret... But it is not out of a drum, it is mixed with something and there is a NASCAR sanctioned speedway near my place.

[joe563]

josh uses the double secret probation type stuff. he is one bad mother shut your mouth i tell you that.... son of a... i am going to the srtip tonite, i will check prices there... i know it will be hi but what ever..

[joe563]

josh uses the double secret probation type stuff. he is one bad mother shut your mouth i tell you that.... son of a... i am going to the srtip tonite, i will check prices there... i know it will be hi but what ever..

[Chopper]

Joe, you got it right![8D][}:)][}:)][8D]

[Chopper]

Joe, you got it right![8D][}:)][}:)][8D]

[fox river pwc]

Chad will sell and deliver drums of 110 for $315, gets the price down to $5.73/gallon. Not bad.

Anybody know a good place to buy a drum pump, or have one to sell, or suggest a simple and cheap way to maybe siphon the fuel out of a drum?

[fox river pwc]

Chad will sell and deliver drums of 110 for $315, gets the price down to $5.73/gallon. Not bad.

Anybody know a good place to buy a drum pump, or have one to sell, or suggest a simple and cheap way to maybe siphon the fuel out of a drum?

[Chopper]

Fleet farm / Farm and Fleet sells them. They are called a BUNG PUMP.

[Chopper]

Fleet farm / Farm and Fleet sells them. They are called a BUNG PUMP.

[fox river pwc]

Thanks to john for calling me this a.m. with some advice.

Got 2 muni airports within 10 min of me (burlington and east troy) that I should have checked out years ago, but never thought to. Just went online and found they sell 24hr self-serve 100LL avgas ($3.19 and $3.29 per gallon, respectively). Seems like that would be my easiest and cheapest alternative - the east troy airport is literally almost next to where I had been buying my 93 octane conventional fuel. Guess now I'll get the 91 good gas and just splash in a bit of 100LL for my rec skis. Simple.

[fox river pwc]

Thanks to john for calling me this a.m. with some advice.

Got 2 muni airports within 10 min of me (burlington and east troy) that I should have checked out years ago, but never thought to. Just went online and found they sell 24hr self-serve 100LL avgas ($3.19 and $3.29 per gallon, respectively). Seems like that would be my easiest and cheapest alternative - the east troy airport is literally almost next to where I had been buying my 93 octane conventional fuel. Guess now I'll get the 91 good gas and just splash in a bit of 100LL for my rec skis. Simple.

[Chopper]

What no BUNG PUMP for you?

[Chopper]

What no BUNG PUMP for you?

[fox river pwc]

Maybe someday. Until then, I'll leave all the bungs alone for you to pump.

Actually, I e-mailed the east troy airport, and they're telling me according to state law their pumps are only for aviation use. However, from what I read online, the pumps are self-serve and rarely is anyone there attending to them, so.............

[fox river pwc]

Maybe someday. Until then, I'll leave all the bungs alone for you to pump.

Actually, I e-mailed the east troy airport, and they're telling me according to state law their pumps are only for aviation use. However, from what I read online, the pumps are self-serve and rarely is anyone there attending to them, so.............

[joe563]

they just will not put fuel in a machine... only cans.. thats the deal..used to take the car out there and bring the tanks,fill them, then dump it into the car before i left.. the other thing is its illegal to run leaded gas at a race.. but who checks anyway...good times..

[joe563]

they just will not put fuel in a machine... only cans.. thats the deal..used to take the car out there and bring the tanks,fill them, then dump it into the car before i left.. the other thing is its illegal to run leaded gas at a race.. but who checks anyway...good times..

[Chopper]

http://www.ijsba.com/ijsba/index.cfm?s=ijsba&t=2009/misc/0084.htm

^^^^^E15 may be headed your way thanks to joebama... Read Above^^^^^

[Chopper]

http://www.ijsba.com/ijsba/index.cfm?s=ijsba&t=2009/misc/0084.htm

^^^^^E15 may be headed your way thanks to joebama... Read Above^^^^^

[fox river pwc]

quote:Originally posted by joe563

they just will not put fuel in a machine... only cans.. thats the deal..used to take the car out there and bring the tanks,fill them, then dump it into the car before i left.. the other thing is its illegal to run leaded gas at a race.. but who checks anyway...good times..


Yep, that's kinda what I figured. I just ordered 4 new VP cans yesterday. Maybe I'll take a magic marker and write "sesna" on them, just in case...[:p]

[fox river pwc]

quote:Originally posted by joe563

they just will not put fuel in a machine... only cans.. thats the deal..used to take the car out there and bring the tanks,fill them, then dump it into the car before i left.. the other thing is its illegal to run leaded gas at a race.. but who checks anyway...good times..


Yep, that's kinda what I figured. I just ordered 4 new VP cans yesterday. Maybe I'll take a magic marker and write "sesna" on them, just in case...[:p]

[fox river pwc]

quote:Originally posted by Chopper

http://www.ijsba.com/ijsba/index.cfm?s=ijsba&t=2009/misc/0084.htm

^^^^^E15 may be headed your way thanks to joebama... Read Above^^^^^


Better send an e-mail and cross your fingers. This whole country is gonna look like nebraska if the cornholers get their way...

[fox river pwc]

quote:Originally posted by Chopper

http://www.ijsba.com/ijsba/index.cfm?s=ijsba&t=2009/misc/0084.htm

^^^^^E15 may be headed your way thanks to joebama... Read Above^^^^^


Better send an e-mail and cross your fingers. This whole country is gonna look like nebraska if the cornholers get their way...

[joe563]

we have had crap gas in kenosha area for 10 years plus... i am not saying it is good but you poor suckers are just getting the shaft now..we have had our holes woolerded out for years now... boo hoo i cant remember was big oil in office then.. joshes lover pie.. the man how screwed this whole country... what ever you do dont refinance your ghetto home right now because then joebama did something for you and you couldnt cry like a little bee och..
ps the whole gas thing sucks huge baboon ass... cuts you mileage in half now with 10% ethonal,what is it going to do with 15% ouch...
bush screwed us all,look at the facts

[joe563]

we have had crap gas in kenosha area for 10 years plus... i am not saying it is good but you poor suckers are just getting the shaft now..we have had our holes woolerded out for years now... boo hoo i cant remember was big oil in office then.. joshes lover pie.. the man how screwed this whole country... what ever you do dont refinance your ghetto home right now because then joebama did something for you and you couldnt cry like a little bee och..
ps the whole gas thing sucks huge baboon ass... cuts you mileage in half now with 10% ethonal,what is it going to do with 15% ouch...
bush screwed us all,look at the facts

[Chopper]

Blame it on Bush it is all his fault! Next we can blame JOBAMA as some has to take it in the cornhole! Lets get some applejuice!

[Chopper]

Blame it on Bush it is all his fault! Next we can blame JOBAMA as some has to take it in the cornhole! Lets get some applejuice!

[joe563]

Craig will voulunteer his corn hole, thanks craig you are the best...unless josh would like some of that action...
pay more for crap gas,feel the burn

[joe563]

Craig will voulunteer his corn hole, thanks craig you are the best...unless josh would like some of that action...
pay more for crap gas,feel the burn

[fox river pwc]

Bush isn't why we have crap gas in wisconsin. It's because doyle, the dems in the state senate, and a few of the rino rebublicans in the state senate that all take money from the ethanol lobbyists. In the beginning, they all could at least claim (with a semblance of credibility) that ethanol was a logical alternative to good gas. Now, they've all been proven wrong, the experiment has failed, yet we still have to put up with the sh it. Like I said before, can anyone say TERM LIMITS!!! Politicians aren't necessarily the problem, CAREER POLITICIANS are the problem...

[fox river pwc]

Bush isn't why we have crap gas in wisconsin. It's because doyle, the dems in the state senate, and a few of the rino rebublicans in the state senate that all take money from the ethanol lobbyists. In the beginning, they all could at least claim (with a semblance of credibility) that ethanol was a logical alternative to good gas. Now, they've all been proven wrong, the experiment has failed, yet we still have to put up with the sh it. Like I said before, can anyone say TERM LIMITS!!! Politicians aren't necessarily the problem, CAREER POLITICIANS are the problem...

[fox river pwc]

Oh, and you might wanna check out who passed the recent federal subsidies for corn/ethanol production. If memory serves, those got passed soon after the dems took control of congress in 2006.

[fox river pwc]

Oh, and you might wanna check out who passed the recent federal subsidies for corn/ethanol production. If memory serves, those got passed soon after the dems took control of congress in 2006.

[joe563]

you dont think bush had anything to do with it??? he is big oil, ethanol = more oil used,more gas made more cash in that jackasses pocket.. if you dont think he is all for it you are mistaken..all ethanol does is make vehicles less efficent..also less reliable,with the alcohol drying out all the gaskets and seals..its all bs,it all sucks... you guys had it good for a long time i dont want to here it..

[joe563]

you dont think bush had anything to do with it??? he is big oil, ethanol = more oil used,more gas made more cash in that jackasses pocket.. if you dont think he is all for it you are mistaken..all ethanol does is make vehicles less efficent..also less reliable,with the alcohol drying out all the gaskets and seals..its all bs,it all sucks... you guys had it good for a long time i dont want to here it..

[fox river pwc]

I think you're a bit confused on this joe. Ethanol is an alternative to petroleum-based fuels. Consuming ethanol means there will be less oil consumed, theoretically. Yes, fuels with ethanol do produce lower mpg's in most vehicles. However, the % of reduction in mpg's is about equal to the % of ethanol in the fuel - so the net result is the consumption of the petroleum-based fuel doesn't change much anyhow when ethanol is blended into the fuels we burn in our cars.

Most of the studies I've read find that with 10% ethanol in the fuel, a typical vehicle's mpg's drop 7 to 10%. I've been checking all my vehicle's mpg's with every tankful for 20 years now. In my escort, I've gone from an average of 32 mpg on good gas to right about 30 mpg on the crap gas. That's about a 7% drop. My wife's highlander and my dad's F-150 both dropped 9 or 10% since burning crap gas. I see that you've said crap gas cuts your mileage in half??? I've yet to see any scientific study to substantiate anything even close to that, nor have I met anyone (besides you) making similar claims about the ethanol crap gas. Perhaps you track your gas milege just as I do? I don't know...

Long story short, if you make your $$$ selling oil, then watching someone else make $$$ selling ethanol isn't gonna make you feel good - and watching the gov't subsidize that ethanol production really shouldn't sit well with you. If ethanol were to somehow become a viable fuel source, then that is only going to decrease our use and dependency on petroleum-based fuels. That's the whole point of alternative forms of energy - to burn less fossil fuels, not more. The whole failure of this ethanol experiment is that growing corn to make fuel decreases our consumption of oil only a little to not at all, it ruins engines, hurts the environment more than it helps it, and it drives our food prices through the roof. Crazy high food prices hurts poor people WAY more than it hurts rich people, since poor people have enough trouble affording food as it was before ethanol (side note: just like crazy cigarette taxes hurt poor people WAY more than rich people - since poor people make up the majority of smokers in the US), yet these poor people keep electing politicians that claim to be the party of the common man.

Gotta watch out for which politicians keep proposing things like ethanol mandates, ethanol subsidies, and cig taxes to know how much they REALLY care about the common man...

[fox river pwc]

I think you're a bit confused on this joe. Ethanol is an alternative to petroleum-based fuels. Consuming ethanol means there will be less oil consumed, theoretically. Yes, fuels with ethanol do produce lower mpg's in most vehicles. However, the % of reduction in mpg's is about equal to the % of ethanol in the fuel - so the net result is the consumption of the petroleum-based fuel doesn't change much anyhow when ethanol is blended into the fuels we burn in our cars.

Most of the studies I've read find that with 10% ethanol in the fuel, a typical vehicle's mpg's drop 7 to 10%. I've been checking all my vehicle's mpg's with every tankful for 20 years now. In my escort, I've gone from an average of 32 mpg on good gas to right about 30 mpg on the crap gas. That's about a 7% drop. My wife's highlander and my dad's F-150 both dropped 9 or 10% since burning crap gas. I see that you've said crap gas cuts your mileage in half??? I've yet to see any scientific study to substantiate anything even close to that, nor have I met anyone (besides you) making similar claims about the ethanol crap gas. Perhaps you track your gas milege just as I do? I don't know...

Long story short, if you make your $$$ selling oil, then watching someone else make $$$ selling ethanol isn't gonna make you feel good - and watching the gov't subsidize that ethanol production really shouldn't sit well with you. If ethanol were to somehow become a viable fuel source, then that is only going to decrease our use and dependency on petroleum-based fuels. That's the whole point of alternative forms of energy - to burn less fossil fuels, not more. The whole failure of this ethanol experiment is that growing corn to make fuel decreases our consumption of oil only a little to not at all, it ruins engines, hurts the environment more than it helps it, and it drives our food prices through the roof. Crazy high food prices hurts poor people WAY more than it hurts rich people, since poor people have enough trouble affording food as it was before ethanol (side note: just like crazy cigarette taxes hurt poor people WAY more than rich people - since poor people make up the majority of smokers in the US), yet these poor people keep electing politicians that claim to be the party of the common man.

Gotta watch out for which politicians keep proposing things like ethanol mandates, ethanol subsidies, and cig taxes to know how much they REALLY care about the common man...

[joe563]

that is to cool you even ride vintage cars.... check your fuel mileage every tank for 20 years, pinching every penny cutting every corner... and you vote republican???????you cant complain about anything you brought it on yourself voting that way.... didnt you complain last time politics where brought up on the forum,said go to other forums if you want to talk about that... huh pot kettle black,or somthing to that effect.. tax the hell out of cigs i am all for it,bring on the weed and do the same...dont care i dont do either.. i know i know beer is next...

[joe563]

that is to cool you even ride vintage cars.... check your fuel mileage every tank for 20 years, pinching every penny cutting every corner... and you vote republican???????you cant complain about anything you brought it on yourself voting that way.... didnt you complain last time politics where brought up on the forum,said go to other forums if you want to talk about that... huh pot kettle black,or somthing to that effect.. tax the hell out of cigs i am all for it,bring on the weed and do the same...dont care i dont do either.. i know i know beer is next...

[joe563]

hey paul i have a completly rebuilt head for that escort if you are interested... i really do no joke..cheap cheap 40.00

[joe563]

hey paul i have a completly rebuilt head for that escort if you are interested... i really do no joke..cheap cheap 40.00

[fox river pwc]

I check mileage on all my cars and motorcycles. When I fill up, it takes me 4 seconds to look at the tripmeter, do the math in my head, and reset the tripmeter. My main motivation for tracking mileage is to realize sooner than later when I may have a problem that needs to be corrected (dirty air filter, bad plug wires, etc...). A $30 set of plug wires can soon cost me $300 in wasted gas if I'm not paying attention enough to notice a drop in fuel consumption. It's not pinching pennies, it's just not foolishly wasting money. Plus, my brain is wired to pay attention.

Cars, to me, with the exception of cars used for toys or collector's items, are simply consumable items I need to get me from A to B. I generally buy new, then run them until they're used up or I roll them in a ditch (only done that once so far).

I didn't vote for doyle, so complaining about the taxes he's raised and how he's repeatedly sold out our state in favor of special interests (like ethanol) that donate to his campaign fund seems quite logical to me. Wisconsin's biggest ethanol supporters have been doyle, the democrats in the state senate, and few rino republicans in the state senate that represent districts where corn is grown. If you're angry with bush because we have to burn ethanol in wisconsin, I'm sorry, but your anger is misdirected.

Yep, I shunned politics here recently then brought them back in with my rant. I apologize. However, in this particular instance, politics is actually having a direct effect on the sport we all enjoy. If you'd prefer that I delete this thread, just let me know, and I will.

Tax cigs, then tax weed, then tax beer... It's called incrementalism. It's how political agendas that voters disagree with gain traction and things get passed right under our very noses, until we realize what went on one day and say WTF? Then it's too late...

My escort is 10 years old now and it has 152k on the clock, plus I've been abusing it by towing 3 skis on a trailer far too many times. The next major breakdown will probably mean the end of that consumable item :).

[fox river pwc]

I check mileage on all my cars and motorcycles. When I fill up, it takes me 4 seconds to look at the tripmeter, do the math in my head, and reset the tripmeter. My main motivation for tracking mileage is to realize sooner than later when I may have a problem that needs to be corrected (dirty air filter, bad plug wires, etc...). A $30 set of plug wires can soon cost me $300 in wasted gas if I'm not paying attention enough to notice a drop in fuel consumption. It's not pinching pennies, it's just not foolishly wasting money. Plus, my brain is wired to pay attention.

Cars, to me, with the exception of cars used for toys or collector's items, are simply consumable items I need to get me from A to B. I generally buy new, then run them until they're used up or I roll them in a ditch (only done that once so far).

I didn't vote for doyle, so complaining about the taxes he's raised and how he's repeatedly sold out our state in favor of special interests (like ethanol) that donate to his campaign fund seems quite logical to me. Wisconsin's biggest ethanol supporters have been doyle, the democrats in the state senate, and few rino republicans in the state senate that represent districts where corn is grown. If you're angry with bush because we have to burn ethanol in wisconsin, I'm sorry, but your anger is misdirected.

Yep, I shunned politics here recently then brought them back in with my rant. I apologize. However, in this particular instance, politics is actually having a direct effect on the sport we all enjoy. If you'd prefer that I delete this thread, just let me know, and I will.

Tax cigs, then tax weed, then tax beer... It's called incrementalism. It's how political agendas that voters disagree with gain traction and things get passed right under our very noses, until we realize what went on one day and say WTF? Then it's too late...

My escort is 10 years old now and it has 152k on the clock, plus I've been abusing it by towing 3 skis on a trailer far too many times. The next major breakdown will probably mean the end of that consumable item :).

[joe563]

so politics is good if you want to talk about it .. but up against the wall if anyone other than you speak up... typical rep. there streets named after you..... one ways

[joe563]

so politics is good if you want to talk about it .. but up against the wall if anyone other than you speak up... typical rep. there streets named after you..... one ways

[joe563]

like i have said before, we have had the crap for years now,this is new to you... we have had to deal with it for a long time already...anyway.. i am just busting balls there paul i hate the gas issue also somtimes i just like getting people spooled up... no harm later joe... figure i better stop before you really get pissed..

[joe563]

like i have said before, we have had the crap for years now,this is new to you... we have had to deal with it for a long time already...anyway.. i am just busting balls there paul i hate the gas issue also somtimes i just like getting people spooled up... no harm later joe... figure i better stop before you really get pissed..

[Chopper]

I'm not going to go into detail, but Doyle and his henchmen have done more to waste the tax payers dollar than most WI citizens will ever care to know. Fact, YES Proven time and time again. Just looks at the millions he over spends on hiring consultants. Want the facts? I'll provide the studies just ask.

There is my 2 cents.

[Chopper]

I'm not going to go into detail, but Doyle and his henchmen have done more to waste the tax payers dollar than most WI citizens will ever care to know. Fact, YES Proven time and time again. Just looks at the millions he over spends on hiring consultants. Want the facts? I'll provide the studies just ask.

There is my 2 cents.

[fox river pwc]

quote:Originally posted by joe563

so politics is good if you want to talk about it .. but up against the wall if anyone other than you speak up... typical rep. there streets named after you..... one ways


I already admitted to what you called me a kettle for, I apologized for it, and I offered to delete the thread as well. Would you prefer that I now take a hammer and bash myself in the knee a few times as punishment for being naughty?

I honestly don't care to discuss politics for the mere sake of politics via the internet, but like I already said, in this instance we have politics directly affecting the sport that ties all of us in this forum together.

[fox river pwc]

quote:Originally posted by joe563

so politics is good if you want to talk about it .. but up against the wall if anyone other than you speak up... typical rep. there streets named after you..... one ways


I already admitted to what you called me a kettle for, I apologized for it, and I offered to delete the thread as well. Would you prefer that I now take a hammer and bash myself in the knee a few times as punishment for being naughty?

I honestly don't care to discuss politics for the mere sake of politics via the internet, but like I already said, in this instance we have politics directly affecting the sport that ties all of us in this forum together.

[fox river pwc]

quote:Originally posted by joe563

like i have said before, we have had the crap for years now,this is new to you... we have had to deal with it for a long time already...anyway.. i am just busting balls there paul i hate the gas issue also somtimes i just like getting people spooled up... no harm later joe... figure i better stop before you really get pissed..


I'm not pissed in the least, and you're the last guy in the world I'd ever get pissed at anyhow. Yes, the ethanol has been here a while - I think we've had it in racine county for as long as you've had it in kenosha. I've just been paying close attention to how it's come about from the beginning - in fear of the day when I couldn't even drive to walworth county to get the fuel I need. Now this day has come, and I just want to give credit for it where credit is due.

For your sake joe, I'll pray that the new beer tax doesn't see the light of day [:p][:p][:p]. However, if doyle does try for that one, I think that will be the final nail in his political coffin...

[fox river pwc]

quote:Originally posted by joe563

like i have said before, we have had the crap for years now,this is new to you... we have had to deal with it for a long time already...anyway.. i am just busting balls there paul i hate the gas issue also somtimes i just like getting people spooled up... no harm later joe... figure i better stop before you really get pissed..


I'm not pissed in the least, and you're the last guy in the world I'd ever get pissed at anyhow. Yes, the ethanol has been here a while - I think we've had it in racine county for as long as you've had it in kenosha. I've just been paying close attention to how it's come about from the beginning - in fear of the day when I couldn't even drive to walworth county to get the fuel I need. Now this day has come, and I just want to give credit for it where credit is due.

For your sake joe, I'll pray that the new beer tax doesn't see the light of day [:p][:p][:p]. However, if doyle does try for that one, I think that will be the final nail in his political coffin...

[joe563]

for the record i am not a doyle fan, you guys just assume that because i am a dem, typical rep jackasses again..i thought this was over a few threads ago.. i thought i seen somthing about josh,paul and bush having a threesome the other day.. you are the best bush, you didnt do anything to this country,everyone is wrong except us...smooch smooch.... yuk!!!!

[joe563]

for the record i am not a doyle fan, you guys just assume that because i am a dem, typical rep jackasses again..i thought this was over a few threads ago.. i thought i seen somthing about josh,paul and bush having a threesome the other day.. you are the best bush, you didnt do anything to this country,everyone is wrong except us...smooch smooch.... yuk!!!!

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I like BEER! MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM! LUKABEECHA
Late, Craig

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I like BEER! MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM! LUKABEECHA
Late, Craig