Race Class Pay Outs [Archive]

Scott Hyke

02-28-2009, 11:11 AM

Hi everybody, hope your winter is going well. Few more weeks to spring.

I am looking for input on what[u] stand-up class </u> will offer a pay out and what [u]Runabout class</u> to offer a pay out in.

For Ski class, Expert or ProAm. Then do you like Stock, Limited or Open. we will offer cash and/or prizes pay out. Top three!

Same thing for Runabout- Expert or ProAm, plus with runabout do we combine classes at our tour for a new stand alone class for the pay out? Plus increase the size of that moto!

Please offer your ideas in a professional manner. Lets be positve and help grow the sport in region 4.

Thanks to all of for your support of Great Lakes Watercross over the years, Scott Hyke.

Do you have more questions? e-mail me, scott@greatlakeswatercross.com

CHOOCHOO

02-28-2009, 04:57 PM

Scott and I talked about this today. To make this happen many of you would have to move up to Expert. We already race on the same line with each other so I do not see moving up has a big deal. Many of us race in Amature classes so that would not hurt any of us. I was thinking about making up a class and call it (Expert Stock we can do this) that would be 4 and 2 strokes racing together. And would be sent into the APBA at the end of the day split up has Amature 4 stroke Stock and Amature N/A Stock for the highpoints title hunt. Or we could all race ProAm Stock and send that in and never have a chance to get close to the highpoints title.
What are the rest of you runabout racers thinking?
Late, Craig

02-28-2009, 05:54 PM

I would say the combined class idea is for sure the way to go. I think stock also is the best class for this region with the number of stock R/A's planning on racing this year.

CHOOCHOO

02-28-2009, 06:39 PM

JB so would you move up to Expert? And have the Expert Stock class.
Late, Craig

joe563

03-01-2009, 09:48 AM

as long as we run it am class we wouldnt have to... if the class is pro am then we would have an issue... i think craigs idea is good but it would be nice to try for a novice and expert title in nashville... i dont care, i would run the payout class.. just want national points also that would be a must.. also like craig said we will never get points for pro am stock without running the whole tour... and not the tour dee tour in parking lots across america..

03-01-2009, 11:28 AM

quote:Originally posted by CHOOCHOO

JB so would you move up to Expert? And have the Expert Stock class.
Late, Craig

As long as my points go towards Am stock for nationals I have no problem moving up. It would be good practice running with more boats on the line for Nashville.

CHOOCHOO

03-01-2009, 12:19 PM

Scott said that he can only pay out for Expert or ProAm Classes. And can not pay out for Novice and Amature classes because of some rules. It was his idea not mine. I don't care if we do or don't. But a pay out would be nice. Expert Stock would work (For a pay out) and when it is sent into the APBA we can split it up into Amature 4 stroke stock and Amature N/A stock. There is only 1 Novice class and that is Novice Limited. Like I said I myself do not care eather way but a pay out would be nice. Call Scott and he can better explain why. Or call me to:D.
Late, Craig

joe563

03-01-2009, 01:38 PM

the other thing is to run 2 clases,pro am for cash and am for points... i dont know... in the past it has always been the pro am classes that got paid..if scott would split them to turn in???? i would be fine with that also,just dont know how that would work???? money=good
i almost forgot again
luka beeocha

Chopper

03-02-2009, 09:29 AM

We need some more expert / pro-am ski riders also...

Well, I guess the bottom line is that we need more riders period! Get out the word on racing.

joe563

03-02-2009, 05:28 PM

word

Buzzer68

03-03-2009, 06:04 AM

I have been hoping that you guys that have been running the novice class for 4-5 years should move up and now it is time. The payouts are a great way to get you guys to move up to Expert. It would also make room for those less experienced to enjoy Novice Class (like you did) and get some hardware for their efforts.
"Expert Stock would work (For a pay out) and when it is sent into the APBA we can split it up into Amature 4 stroke stock and Amature N/A stock." WOW! Is this comment self serving or what?
You can't have your Expert $$cake$$ and eat "the novice points" too.
Please move up to Expert if you have been in the same Novice class for more than 12-15 races.

joe563

03-03-2009, 08:02 AM

i think that i can see what he is saying..... waaaaaaaaa i dont want to race alone waaaaaaaaa

03-03-2009, 08:55 AM

I am picking up what he is throwing down also. I only raced 1 novice and 4 amature races. Moving up for me would be insane this year. I would be willing to run a combined class for the money and then run NA amature R/A class.

fox river pwc

03-03-2009, 09:55 AM

Since I don't personally race any "skill" classes (although, technically, vintage is now officially not open to pros), I had to go read the rulebook for myself. It seems to me that the rules are vague at best.

4.3.3 Novice:
Novice riders are competitors with minimal racing experience.
First-time competitors must participate in Novice or Beginner classes.
When a Novice rider decides to move up to Expert class, they can
advance by notifying the APBA in writing or by e-mail, or by entering an
Expert class at an APBA sanctioned event. Once Novice competitors
have entered the Expert or Pro Class they will not be allowed to revert
back to Novice, unless officials determine the rider’s skills are such that
they affect the safety of the rider and other riders in the class. Based on
their demonstrated skill, Novice class riders may also be reclassified as
an Expert class rider at the discretion of the APBA.

4.3.4 Expert:
Expert riders are those who demonstrate a skill level that
has exceeded beyond that of a Novice class rider who are looking to
improve racing skills. APBA officials have authority to move an Expert
rider to Pro if the rider is displaying obvious riding and racing skills well
above other class riders. A rider can also be moved back to Novice
if it is determined that the rider is creating a safety hazard. In order
to advance to the Pro class, Expert class riders must contact APBA
in writing for prior approval. An Expert competitor may request to be
reclassified as Novice by requesting a change of classification in writing
to the APBA.

joe563

03-03-2009, 12:08 PM

bla bla bla luka beeocha bring on the cash
i am liking the expert stock split after the races idea more and more.. think it is the way to go

Chopper

03-03-2009, 02:28 PM

Or... Just a thought here... We need a Dash for Cash at all of the weekends on the tour. No Classes, Open Rules, 100% Payback. The only requirement would be that you must also be registered for a regular class, so this would not divert away from the regular racing. $30 Buy. Supose 10 people bought in, that would be $300. 1st $150, 2nd $100, 3rd $50... or something to that affect. If there were more than 10 pay back could go to 5 deep. Or better yet... Thinking again, watch out, smoke is on the horizion... Get a Dash for Cash Local sponsor that throws in some cash on top of the buy in money. If this is the case, then there would be no one that would have to worry about moving up or down classes, no spliting of points or any other hoaky crap, just racing for money... and of course putting on a show for the spectators. ~***DASH FOR CASH***~ Oh, this should also be a minimum of a single 10 lap moto. Fireworks optional.

joe563

03-03-2009, 03:53 PM

That would be fine also,that could help with sponsorship,there name up in lights, the sponsor money could be cut in half to help fund the race and maybe bring down entrance fees..fireworks are a must... booya

CHOOCHOO

03-03-2009, 05:44 PM

I was thinking the same thing has Chopper. But after a few races people might stop racing because they cant get in the cash. But I do have a idea to fix that. Line up the next race in reverse order that you finished from the dash before. Where A Expert Stock class would force you to race in it because it is for your Amature class National High Points. Novice or Expert can race in Amature classes so moving up is no big thing. I raced Amature Stock all year with you JB Expert is not a death sentance and at Nationals you will run the same class Amature N/A Stock with Experts like me and Novice to. P.S you raced all year last year with a Expert that was me and Valek that was no big thing right. Joe has been racing for year and I beleave he is moving up. Expert or Novice he will be racing the same people in region 4 and at Nationals in Amature 4 Stroke Stock. Amature is both Novice and Experts simple has that. And Experts can get payed.
Late, Craig

CHOOCHOO

03-03-2009, 06:09 PM

And so that you all know Expert Stock is only a region 4 class it is not even a class that is ran in the APBA it is only a region 4 class. It would be made so we can get paid. And Novice only has 1 class and that is Limited. 4 and 2 stroke race both Novice Limited at the same time against each other.
Late, Craig

CHOOCHOO

03-03-2009, 06:36 PM

Joe, I think what you ment to say is( waaaaaaaaa i dont want to race alone waaaaaaaaa :D:)[:p];)[8D])HA HA HA!
Late, Craig

quote:Originally posted by joe563

i think that i can see what he is saying..... waaaaaaaaa i dont want to race alone waaaaaaaaa

joe563

03-04-2009, 09:50 AM

i think the cash classes would be more fair..

joe563

03-04-2009, 04:00 PM

i also forgot

luka beeocha oh luka you little bee ooch

Scott Hyke

03-05-2009, 11:09 AM

Hey, NO CLASS HAS BEEN MADE. Easy Big Dog. We will come up with a class in due time. The point of this Question is to hear all peoples thoughts on this, not just one racer. Scott.

fox river pwc

03-05-2009, 01:33 PM

As someone who has never raced for cash (with the one exception of the dash for cash at pp in 07), and has never really thought much about racing for cash - I have some questions and comments. These are purely for my own curiosity and exploration, so please, everyone, do NOT take anything personally - and everyone is welcome to answer my questions and address my comments...

(Keep in mind, I've done other types of racing/competition for cash in the past - far more cash than what I've seen paid out at regional ski races, so I get the basic concept - I just want to understand what everyone is thinking here, and if everyone is even thinking the same way or not.)

1) How much cash are we talking about here? I mean, is it a situation where the winner of the cash class gets their entry fee back? More than their entry fee back? Half their entry fee back? How many places pay back cash, 1, 2, 3??? What if a cash class only gets 3 entries - everyone gets some money back???

2) Very simply, what is/are the goal(s) of offering cash payouts? Attract more racers? Happier racers in general? Happier winning racers? Get racers to switch to classes that pay cash? Make a better show for the crowd? Create more fierce competition? I'm not trying to sound silly here at all, as I'd love to get paid to race/win, but maybe not if it means getting killed once in a while too ;).

3) It seems to me that paying cash in novice/amateur classes (and beginners as well) is questionable, unless you're already paying all the pros and experts significantly more than the novices/amateurs. Regardless, IMHO, the priority of cash payouts should go to expert and pro classes (expert and pro-am). With that being said, how many experts and pros do we expect to have racing in Region 4 this year?

4) I could see the value in having a dash-for-cash at each event. Ideally, if a sponsor funded the payout, or a good portion of it, to minimize the entry fee - that would work best. My fear would be that the riders with stock/slower skis would be less likely to enter if the entry fee was significant, and they felt like they didn't have a chance to win something back anyhow. From the standpoint of creating excitement for the fans, a "mandatory" (aka, free entry) dash for cash could be cool, especially if it was staggered in some way to put the faster skis/riders at the back to start the race. Maybe stagger the start with one side of the gate releasing the slower skis/riders first then releasing the faster group a bit later (have to work out how much to handicap to keep it fair and interesting)????

5) If we do a dash-for-cash for runabouts and one for stand-ups, where do the sport spec skis race?

6) Between region 4 and region 6, I've seen a few dash-for-cash races. As for the stand-ups, I've only seen SXRs and Hydros enter the dash-for-cash races. Any thoughts (besides the handicapping mentioned in item #4) on getting vintage skis involved in the dashes????

7) How about a tag-team dash for cash? Slower/stock skis/racers get paired with the faster skis/racers and "hand-off" mid-way through the race. This could give everyone a very equal chance at winning some money. This would also answer the question posed in item #6.

8) Has everyone/anyone here, who hasn't raced skis for cash in the past, given thought to how the cash might change the tone of the racing? Will it even change? Does it need to change? Does it matter?

That's it. Feel free to comment as you wish................

fox river pwc

03-05-2009, 02:43 PM

One last thing, luka beeeeeeoooochachacha...

joe563

03-05-2009, 03:16 PM

man paul you are one long winded typer... i had to take a nap half way threw...

joe563

03-05-2009, 03:25 PM

i like the idea of having team racing one boat.. 5 -8 laps each can change as often as you want...each guys has to be on the boat a min of ??? laps.. that would be a party..all stock boats so it is even(and because that is what we have the most of)it wouldnt have to be for cash either.. i just would like to do that at least once.. 20 each rider to enter winners take 2/3 pay rest goes to glw..
luka beeocha

fox river pwc

03-05-2009, 04:25 PM

quote:Originally posted by joe563

man paul you are one long winded typer... i had to take a nap half way threw...

I have a degree in communication,

and hypnosis ;).

I AM gonna write a book someday. Been saying that for years. Just haven't found a topic to inspire me yet. I will...

CHOOCHOO

03-05-2009, 04:34 PM

It looks like we are not going to get enough riders to move up to Expert. Why? I dont know there is only one Novice class and that is Limited atleast in RA classes. So some form of Dash for Cash will have to be the way to go. Sounds like the same old Tour to me. I will run any form of dash for cash just let me know the rules first.
MY idea. For RA only( Stand up can make up there own rules) I was thinking about a one time $150 to $200 buy in ( Must be payed at Round 1-2 or 3. All rounds 1-7 will have a Dash. Pick #s for starting spot for dash 1. Then line up in reverse order of finish from round 2 to 7. Points are 65 for 1st and 60 for 2nd and 55 for 3rd and so on. Use only the top 6 finishes like the APBA highpoints system. I would try to find away to pay back all racers. We can add sponsors cash of the Dash for Cash into the pot. It could be a huge pot.
But I know my idea will get shot down I just was bored at the TRK stop sorry for wasting your time.
Late, Craig

fox river pwc

03-05-2009, 04:57 PM

quote:Originally posted by joe563

i like the idea of having team racing one boat.. 5 -8 laps each can change as often as you want...each guys has to be on the boat a min of ??? laps.. that would be a party..all stock boats so it is even(and because that is what we have the most of)it wouldnt have to be for cash either.. i just would like to do that at least once.. 20 each rider to enter winners take 2/3 pay rest goes to glw..
luka beeocha

I didn't really mean tag-team racing as in a duo sharing a ski, simply because I would imagine at least a few guys may not want to have somebody else racing their ski - and probably some would not want to risk hurting someone else's ski as well.

Think of it this way, I won't name names ;), but let's say someone with a wicked fast open class GP1200 gets teamed up for the tag-team dash-for-cash with someone who really can't handle that ski in a safe and fast manner, I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that the owner of the open class GP1200 won't be to thrilled about sharing that ski.

Anyhow, I could come up with a bunch of semi-dangerous examples of ski sharing (stock, limited, and open) that probably shouldn't occur in a race for money, ya know :).

So, I'd be more inclined to suggest that each racer uses his/her own ski, and each racer runs 1/2 the race. We'd just have to set up a plan (rules) for how/when the "exchange" is made. Racers (after the halfway point) could exit through one side of the starting gate and their teammate then enters the course through the other side of the gate maybe???

We could have some really cool strategy involved, especially with the SXRs and vintage skis - as far as which rider starts the race and which finishes. For example, Team A consists of a fast SXR rider and a 42mph vintage ski. Team B consists of a novice SXR rider and a 50mph vintage ski. Who starts the race for each team? Team A could start their 42mph vintage ski while Team B starts their novice SXR, and let's say Team B laps Team A just before the "exchange", then the fast SXR rider has to push it hard to make up that lap against Team B's vintage ski. Could be really cool. WAY more potential for passing with such a mix of skis and skills on the course.

Now, just imagine this with 5, 6, or 10 teams all going at it for the win. You can forget follow the leader after lap 2 like far too many other races. The mid race racer exchange will add some serious drama.

As for just stock boats, naw, run whatchu brung. We'd just have to rank the racers from fastest to slowest (roughly), or group them in 2 groups of equal size (fast group and not-so-fast group) and make pairs from there to keep it "fair". Ya know? Fastest SXR riders get teamed up with slower vintage guys or beginners. Novice SXR riders maybe get teamed up with faster vintage guys or other Novices.

As for runabouts, same deal. You guys know who's the fastest and the slowest - and you get paired up accordingly.

It doesn't have to be perfect, it just has to be FUN, and it has to be entertaining for the spectators and all the racers - if you expect enough racers to participate more than once. 15 guys lined up for 12-15 laps of follow-the-leader where you already know who will finish in the top 3 before the band snaps may be fun for some of the racers, but not the spectators. I've watched enough of those races, and even I don't find them entertaining to watch.

Who knows, this might even promote some additional comradery on the tour???

How's that for a post!! BOOYAA sucker!!!

fox river pwc

03-05-2009, 04:59 PM

quote:Originally posted by CHOOCHOO

But I know my idea will get shot down I just was bored at the TRK stop sorry for wasting your time.
Late, Craig

Did you say something, Craig?:D:D:D:D:D:D

CHOOCHOO

03-05-2009, 05:04 PM

HAHA:D
Late,Craig

fox river pwc

03-05-2009, 05:07 PM

Craig, your idea isn't terrible, but what happens with new racers that join the tour mid-season - or racers that only race one or two weekends each year? My worry is that they'd be less inclined to jump into the dash. With a tag-team dash, we could "force" everyone (new, old, veteran, whoever) to run the dash. Even if they're a new racer, after seeing them for a couple motos that day, we'd at least know what they're capable of and could pair them up accordingly. Heck, if the entry fee were say, $20 per team for the dash, I'd even to agree to pay the whole fee if I got teamed up with a newbie who didn't have the extra $10 to split the entry fee.

I dunno, I'm just thinking more about how to keep it fun and to promote maximum participation.

fox river pwc

03-05-2009, 05:19 PM

Oh, we'd obviously need an even number of racers to do tag-team pairs for the dashes. So, if we're short a racer for either dash, or both, we can just stick Scott on a ski. I'll bring my fx1 and my waverunner 3 for him to ride ;)...

Scott Hyke

03-05-2009, 05:30 PM

and i'll still beat you.

fox river pwc

03-05-2009, 05:40 PM

Bring it on, old man...

CHOOCHOO

03-05-2009, 05:47 PM

They can race for $25 and if they place in the top 3 they can get there money back + I will pay them $5 out of my pocket. Because I am a big spender.
Late, Craig

quote:Originally posted by fox river pwc

Craig, your idea isn't terrible, but what happens with new racers that join the tour mid-season - or racers that only race one or two weekends each year? My worry is that they'd be less inclined to jump into the dash. With a tag-team dash, we could "force" everyone (new, old, veteran, whoever) to run the dash. Even if they're a new racer, after seeing them for a couple motos that day, we'd at least know what they're capable of and could pair them up accordingly. Heck, if the entry fee were say, $20 per team for the dash, I'd even to agree to pay the whole fee if I got teamed up with a newbie who didn't have the extra $10 to split the entry fee.

I dunno, I'm just thinking more about how to keep it fun and to promote maximum participation.

CHOOCHOO

03-05-2009, 05:50 PM

I think all of us that race every weekend should match this. JOE what U say.

[quote]Originally posted by CHOOCHOO

They can race for $25 and if they place in the top 3 they can get there money back + I will pay them $5 out of my pocket. Because I am a big spender.
Late, Craig

Scott Hyke

03-06-2009, 07:34 AM

Hey Paul, it's POPS to all you young...Bucks.:)

Chopper

03-06-2009, 08:39 AM

Oh No, this is getting good. Winter must be hittin hard.

My opinion on the Dash For Cash thing is to just keep it simple. That way it is easy for both racers and spectators to understand. This sport is already way to complicated which is one thing I feel has contributed to the downfall of PWC racing. The KISS method is best. Keep It Simple Stupid!

Oh, and you vintage riders. I don't know if I'd be poking at Scott, you never know who and what will be on line next to you. Remember, Scott is the defintion of Vintage in many more ways than one.

03-08-2009, 12:37 AM

Scott,
You still have that 750 setup? Ibet you could race that like you race your SXR with the right hull.

joe563

03-09-2009, 06:31 PM

i think we pick out of a hat for teams all in one pot.. vintage new all of them... hit and miss every race... i dont know beer good
luka beeocha

nick888GPR

03-10-2009, 11:00 PM

Im racing beginner this year =) so I don't care about the mumbo jumbo

joe563

03-11-2009, 11:28 AM

b what er

joe563

03-11-2009, 11:28 AM

b what er

JJ Flash

03-20-2009, 12:26 PM

7.2 RIDER PAYOUT
7.2.1 A rider cash payout is up to the discretion of the Race Promoter. The
promoter may determine which, if any, classes will receive a cash award.
If the event will have a cash payout, the cash payout, or the system
in which the cash payout will be determined, should be published on
the pit board, on the promoter’s web site, or announced at the Riders’Meeting.
Payout is normally based on the number of rider entries in
each paying class. Payout will generally be for Pro, Pro-Am, and Expert
classes only – if offered.

To clarify the common misconception, there is no rule (that I have found) that states a promoter cannot give $ to a novice rider. This is a copy/paste from 09 rule book and the key wording is "GENERALLY for expert" and "up to the discretion of the Race Promoter".

GLW has in-fact given ca$h to novice riders in the past. Dash for cash has always been open to novice riders, they got paid. (it's America... you can give money to anyone you want to, ...except AIG)

A couple years ago we all raced Amature Ski Open for one reason, it's the only class we ALL can enter. It was the biggest class that year.

Why invent a class (dash for cash) that doesn't count count for anything else, when Amature Ski Open already serves the same purpose.
Want to pay out for 1 ski class, why not make it the 1 we can all enter. It's a no holds barred, run what'cha brung class that already exists and is on the list of National Highpoints Classes.

JJ Flash

03-20-2009, 12:26 PM

joe563

03-20-2009, 07:48 PM

i am all over it.... well maybe not..my back is hurting just thinking about it... anything like that for runabouts??

joe563

03-20-2009, 07:48 PM

i am all over it.... well maybe not..my back is hurting just thinking about it... anything like that for runabouts??

luke_fritz2000

04-26-2009, 11:54 AM

ur all mean to mean i hate that lol its on this year o yeaaaa

luke_fritz2000

04-26-2009, 11:54 AM

ur all mean to mean i hate that lol its on this year o yeaaaa

joe563

04-26-2009, 04:42 PM

mean to mean luka beeocha waaaaa waaaaa

joe563

04-26-2009, 04:42 PM

mean to mean luka beeocha waaaaa waaaaa

joe563

04-26-2009, 07:54 PM

what you running luka, you still in nov stock,am stock this year??? or coming to join your bro,john and i??? how do you like the sponsons??? sexy huh

joe563

04-26-2009, 07:54 PM

what you running luka, you still in nov stock,am stock this year??? or coming to join your bro,john and i??? how do you like the sponsons??? sexy huh

joe563

04-27-2009, 09:17 AM

think i have 2 more guys running runabout...one is a limited rxp the other is an open gp yamaha

joe563

04-27-2009, 09:17 AM

think i have 2 more guys running runabout...one is a limited rxp the other is an open gp yamaha

joe563

04-28-2009, 09:15 AM

talked to brad yesterday, he sold the stock boat and the guy is going to be racing with us this year... good times... sounds like he is not coming back...i think he is afraid...very afraid

joe563

04-28-2009, 09:15 AM

talked to brad yesterday, he sold the stock boat and the guy is going to be racing with us this year... good times... sounds like he is not coming back...i think he is afraid...very afraid

joe563

04-28-2009, 02:10 PM

Brad also told me that he is now into collecting old chineese porcelan kittens...He said he just loves them, "They are just soooo cute"...That is very nice brad....watch for brads purchases on ebay or if anyone has any you would like to part with give him a call..

joe563

04-28-2009, 02:10 PM

CHOOCHOO

04-28-2009, 03:07 PM

Here Kitty Kitty. Here Kitty kitty.

CHOOCHOO

04-28-2009, 03:07 PM

Here Kitty Kitty. Here Kitty kitty.

joe563

04-28-2009, 04:55 PM

i can see you getting into that also there tour dee

joe563

04-28-2009, 04:55 PM

i can see you getting into that also there tour dee

CHOOCHOO

04-28-2009, 05:15 PM

I think I will collect glass slippers.;)

CHOOCHOO

04-28-2009, 05:15 PM

I think I will collect glass slippers.;)

04-29-2009, 09:21 PM

Any of these racers anyone any of us would know from the past or new blood?

04-29-2009, 09:21 PM

Any of these racers anyone any of us would know from the past or new blood?

joe563

04-30-2009, 09:18 AM

new blood, the guys i talked to have never raced before.. the guy brad sold his boat to is also new..

joe563

04-30-2009, 09:18 AM

new blood, the guys i talked to have never raced before.. the guy brad sold his boat to is also new..

Chopper

04-30-2009, 01:59 PM

Great, how about some new Expert ski Limited / Pro Am ski Stock blood? Any takers? Spencer you should be about ready to make the jump!

Chopper

04-30-2009, 01:59 PM

Great, how about some new Expert ski Limited / Pro Am ski Stock blood? Any takers? Spencer you should be about ready to make the jump!

spence-r

04-30-2009, 06:05 PM

Maybe if everyone would have their stuff togather we could practice and I could hold a candle to you Josh!

spence-r

04-30-2009, 06:05 PM

Maybe if everyone would have their stuff togather we could practice and I could hold a candle to you Josh!

Chopper

04-30-2009, 07:32 PM

Yeah, no kidding next weekend and through round 1 it's on. No worries.

Chopper

04-30-2009, 07:32 PM

Yeah, no kidding next weekend and through round 1 it's on. No worries.

04-30-2009, 07:51 PM

You guys planning on hitting up the Lure next weekend?

04-30-2009, 07:51 PM

You guys planning on hitting up the Lure next weekend?

spence-r

04-30-2009, 09:52 PM

Well we only got a month to the first race, im settin up buoys here on the river with my dad and friends. But I wanna get some real ride time in at petenwell. Like I said im ready to ride whenever!

spence-r

04-30-2009, 09:52 PM

Well we only got a month to the first race, im settin up buoys here on the river with my dad and friends. But I wanna get some real ride time in at petenwell. Like I said im ready to ride whenever!

Chopper

05-01-2009, 07:23 AM

quote:Originally posted by JB

You guys planning on hitting up the Lure next weekend?

It is a possiblity. Mainly up to EB and Jim though as they are the Lure connection so if they get it cleared and are able to ride we'll probably be throwin out some buoys... It's in their hands though as the lure is still private and it is our only training location these days up here.

Chopper

05-01-2009, 07:23 AM

05-01-2009, 11:00 AM

Actually with the lake being owned by the power company anything 100' from the normal high water mark in public property. But I understand not burning bridges with Tom. He has been more than cool with us and our sport.

05-01-2009, 11:00 AM