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fox river pwc
01-17-2009, 04:47 PM
Here it is, it's official:
http://www.apbaracing.com/2009/news/090116_news_apba_class.pdf

The APBA is excited to introduce three new racing classes for 2009. These classes are all about fun and offer a very inexpensive and affordable way to get involved with PWC racing or a great second class to race for those already tearing it up on the race course. These classes provide a place for older watercraft models that are not competitive in the current class structure
to compete, but still a blast to ride and race.

Vintage Ski
Vintage Ski is a class that is currently being run in several regions with much success. Finding a way for these older stand-up models to compete has helped greatly with bringing new racers into the sport. A watercraft can be purchased on websites like www.Craigslist.com and internet forums for $500 and less for the 550 Modified class. For a little more they can find a boat for the 750 Modified class. Many members have one or two of these boats sitting in their garage. Some may have friends that quit racing because there boat was no longer competitive. Call your friends, dust off those old boats, and get ready for some FUN. [u]The following two classes have been officially added – 1) Vintage Ski 550cc Modified and 2) Vintage Ski 750cc Modified.</u> The Vintage Ski classes will be open all Novice and Expert class riders. Juniors that are 14 years old or older may participate in the Vintage Ski 550 Modified class. These will be official points earning classes and provided the demand and interest is there the Vintage classes will be offered at the Watercross Nationals where racers can compete for a U.S. National Championship.

Sport Spec – the Racers Class Another new class for 2009 is the Sport Spec class. This is the first racing class that was truly created for and by the racers. Thanks to the power of the internet and a large group of keyboard cowboys, this class has received lots of momentum and we believe it will be a hit. The APBA has received many e-mails about offering this class which we think will help revive Sport class racing outside of regions 7 & 8. This is a great affordable class for new and old racers to have fun enjoying racing PWC’s. Rules for the Sport Spec class are in the APBA Annual Meeting Summary and will also be in 2009 APBA Competition Rulebook in just a few days. The rules are the exact rules develop by the racers. The Sport Spec class is an official points earning class and provided the demand and interest is the class it will be offered at the Watercross Nationals where racers can compete for a U.S. National Championship. The APBA will be sending out an e-mail to its promoters to promote and support these new classes and suggest promoters offer a reduced entry fee for these classes. We are hopeful that these classes will help attract new racers to the sport and once we get them hooked they will advance to regular stand-up and Runabout classes. Please help us promote these new classes.


So, Vintage Ski 550cc Mod, Vintage Ski 750cc Mod, and Sport Spec are all now official points earning classes. Hooray? Right? I dunno, maybe? However, this now begs the question for Region 4, how does Open Vintage Ski and Stock Vintage Ski fit into the equation, or does it simply not fit into the equation??? Does GLW just dance to the beat of a different drummer, or does it get in step with the APBA? I guess we'll see what happens soon enough. I haven't seen a clear definition yet of what year skis are actually eligible for the new "official" 750cc vintage class (550cc eligibility is fairly obvious), but I'm guessing the APBA will spell that out at sometime here.

Sport Spec rules are still a bit in flux, but the creators have been preaching from day one that it will be a work in progress for the first season. If the interest on the forums is any indication, Sport Spec could be a huge class at nationals. That would be neat, IMHO.

From the GLW 2009 updates:
The Open Vintage Ski class will remain the same (anything goes). A second class will be offered for Vintage Ski stock boats. The only changes to the boats in this class (stock) will be ride plates, intake grates, props and flame arresters. All Stand Up watercraft 2002 and older, are eligible to race in these classes.


Any thoughts, ideas???

fox river pwc
01-19-2009, 11:56 AM
No input on this?

I know Vintage is all about fun, so nobody cares if Region 4 Vintage races aren't the "official" APBA classes, and therefore don't count towards National Highpoints apparently?

Seems kinda screwy that this would be the case after Vintage essentially evolved from this region...

Or, is the GLW tour gonna offer the "official" APBA classes, yet apply their own version of what skis are allowed in which class? Now THAT would be extra screwy ;).

joe563
01-19-2009, 04:03 PM
sounds like we have 750 mod class to me

fox river pwc
01-19-2009, 04:35 PM
More or less, yes we do, 'cept we still call it Open Vintage right now. So, if the name just gets changed to 750cc Mod Vintage, it would seem that we're good to go for '09. As for Stock Vintage vs. 550cc Mod Vintage, well, I guess we'll see what happens...

joe563
01-19-2009, 04:50 PM
I would be willing to bet the class name will change... the deal is now that there is a set of rules to the class how many are going to be able to run it legally... the smaller 550 class i dont see anyone running it anyway its hard enough to get people to run the big boy class.. so i guess that with all the chat you will be back this year and hopfully for more than one day?????

fox river pwc
01-19-2009, 05:14 PM
You know me Joe, if there's fun to be had and I can make it back to work on Monday, I'm there. I like the idea of the PP and Kenosha races a lot, for the same reasons you do.

I also doubt that Region 4 will get many/any 550 entries. However, in Region 6 last year, there was a lot of 550 Vintage racers, including one or two on 300cc Kawis. Boooyah!!

joe563
01-19-2009, 08:08 PM
300's i cant even get my pork ass up on that thing..

Chopper
01-20-2009, 08:14 AM
I'm going to get a 300 for the 750 class just to show people how fast a 300 can go! Or not...

joe563
01-20-2009, 10:10 AM
you are getting 300 what???

Chopper
01-20-2009, 01:10 PM
a 300cc kawasaki jet ski...

joe563
01-20-2009, 03:24 PM
300 corn cobs

fox river pwc
01-20-2009, 06:33 PM
Don't be dissin' the 300 Kawis. Those suckers rule, cuz they still scream even when they're runnin' on one cylinder :).


Pat Mell interview on the internet radio in 30 min. Anybody gonna listen?

joe563
01-20-2009, 07:26 PM
I am busting ars at work love to not gonna

Chopper
01-21-2009, 07:35 AM
quote:Originally posted by fox river pwc

Don't be dissin' the 300 Kawis. Those suckers rule, cuz they still scream even when they're runnin' on one cylinder :).


Pat Mell interview on the internet radio in 30 min. Anybody gonna listen?


was not impressed said a lot of what the people want to hear but nothing that will have any follow though. should be a politican

fox river pwc
01-21-2009, 11:59 AM
Agreed. Pat may have a strong business sense, but the APBA could really benefit by having a professional PR person.

Josh, were you still listening when he was asked what his APBA salary was?

joe563
01-21-2009, 05:28 PM
what was the jist of the show what did they talk about??

fox river pwc
01-21-2009, 05:44 PM
How to promote the sport, why it isn't being promoted, how to get new racers, what's being done to keep racers, what to do about cheaters, why insurance is so expensive, why don't we have better tech - blah blah blah. I heard nothing that was earth shattering. Not surprising, considering the fact that Pat just isn't an easy person to get started talking - so interviewing him, especially without proper preparation, is a tough challenge. However, Pat did agree to come on again after the season. It SHOULD be much easier the next time around, IF better questions are prepared ahead of time instead of just being read off of an instant chat log.

Flyin Brian did the best he could, but the whole thing just wasn't moderated very well - and the chatroom going crazy during the whole thing was distracting to Brian and me (as a listener).

You didn't miss anything Joe. I simply donated 3 hours of my life I'll never get back ;)...

spence-r
01-21-2009, 07:31 PM
I think they could work on time managment a bit better. There were lots of gaps in between segments. I only listened for about an hour or so.

Chopper
01-22-2009, 07:58 AM
Werd,

That could have been a 40 minute interview tops. I also missed the last Hot seat portion since I had life to attend to...